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Scientists Zero in on Cause of Homosexuality
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Quote: from Moridin at 2:03 pm on June 20, 2008

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Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 6:44 pm on June 17, 2008

Then can you please explain to me the biology behind necrophilia, pedophilia, or bestiality? Are these not legitimate sexual preferences for the individuals involved?

  Nope. More like mental disorders. But we will find a mechanistic explanation to them eventually, but perhaps you think it is a result of demonic possessions?


You'd argue that pedophilia is a mental disorder if it ties directly in one's perception of what constitutes as beauty? And if I were a proponent of literal demonology, Moridin, I'd already have sent in papers for your exorcism.


 
pedophilia does not ties directly in one's perception of what constitutes as beauty. All forms of sexual assault is based on an urge for power, not beauty.

Unfortunately, that argument carries the presumption that in order for one to demonstrate pedophilia, they must do so in search for fulfillment through means of assault or power.  Forgive me for overusing the phrase, but you haven't shown how pedophilia is a psychological disorder if it ties directly in with one's desire, which could be seen as a healthy admiration from the person demonstrating such urges.

If they forces themselves on an unwilling participant, it'd be considered sexual assault; however, the term is not applicable if the individuals involved are willing participants.  It is only legally coined as assault namely due to a violation of laws regarding sexual activities and ages accountable of recognition.

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Children cannot by definition be willing participants.

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Quote: from Moridin at 11:46 am on June 24, 2008

Children cannot by definition be willing participants.
Are you refusing to acknowledge the research implicating a growing trend of younger students initiating and becoming sexually active with their older teachers regardless of gender?  Are they not considered willing participants due to their position, or is it all a sense of power for the teachers to willfully lose both their position of influence and become imprisoned with a record thereafter?

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Quote: from Moridin at 1:46 pm on June 24, 2008

Children cannot by definition be willing participants.
Is that a scientific fact?

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Children do not have the cognitive capacity to anticipate likely outcomes of their behavior.

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Quote: from Moridin at 10:15 am on June 25, 2008

Children do not have the cognitive capacity to anticipate likely outcomes of their behavior.
What does that have to do with being willing participants? Adults are often unable to anticipate the outcome of their behavior as well. What is the science behind your statement?

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If you do not have the cognitive capacity to anticipate likely outcomes of their behavior, then you cannot participate willingly. Adults to have the relevant cognitive capacity, they don't just always use them.

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Quote: from Moridin at 10:35 am on June 25, 2008

If you do not have the cognitive capacity to anticipate likely outcomes of their behavior, then you cannot participate willingly. Adults to have the relevant cognitive capacity, they don't just always use them.
What is the scientific fact that says that a child cannot willingly participate (or refuse to participate) in any behavior simply because of a lack of cognitive capacity to recognize the outcome? At what point does science say that someone can be willing? Is there a measurement for willingness?

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:49 am on June 25, 2008

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If you do not have the cognitive capacity to anticipate likely outcomes of their behavior, then you cannot participate willingly. Adults to have the relevant cognitive capacity, they don't just always use them.
What is the scientific fact that says that a child cannot willingly participate (or refuse to participate) in any behavior simply because of a lack of cognitive capacity to recognize the outcome? At what point does science say that someone can be willing? Is there a measurement for willingness?

Its if you presuppose that willful participation requires that the person has the capacity or the knowledge to anticipate the outcome of said activity they are participating in. It's what our justice system presupposes in regards to crimes involving children and adolescents.

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If you do not have the cognitive capacity to anticipate likely outcomes of their behavior, then you cannot participate willingly. Adults to have the relevant cognitive capacity, they don't just always use them.
What is the scientific fact that says that a child cannot willingly participate (or refuse to participate) in any behavior simply because of a lack of cognitive capacity to recognize the outcome? At what point does science say that someone can be willing? Is there a measurement for willingness?

Its if you presuppose that willful participation requires that the person has the capacity or the knowledge to anticipate the outcome of said activity they are participating in. It's what our justice system presupposes in regards to crimes involving children and adolescents.


But the justice system is not science. It also sometimes charges children as adults for some crimes.

I'm looking for this scientific reason that Moridin keeps talking about but never showing. Science (based on nature) says a human female is ready to reproduce when her body says it's ready. Many societies say no. Based on that elusive 'cognitive capacity'.

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Quote: from Moridin at 1:46 pm on June 24, 2008

Children cannot by definition be willing participants.
Then how can children have "self-ownership"?

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*shrug* The question is still valid. Would you consider it wrong for parents to insist that their children attend church every Sunday or face punishment?
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Quote: from robdude at 4:32 pm on June 16, 2008

I saw that on 60 minutes, it's well known that homosexuals are born that way, not the result of how they are raised.

You'd be surprised.

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Very interesting...I've always wondered about this.

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