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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 7:09 am on June 18, 2008

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I'm wondering why the this cannot be ascribed to learned effects, and 'hints' at a linkage to neurobiological entities. Not that it is necessarily wrong, but such was noted at the beginning. It's certainly interesting though.

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Because cerebral responses to putative pheromone cannot be a learned effect by definition.

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Post edited at 6:36 am on June 18, 2008 by prisoner of hss

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Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 6:44 pm on June 17, 2008

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Then can you please explain to me the biology behind necrophilia, pedophilia, or bestiality? Are these not legitimate sexual preferences for the individuals involved?

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Nope. More like mental disorders. But we will find a mechanistic explanation to them eventually, but perhaps you think it is a result of demonic possessions?

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Why do we need a mechanistic explanation for everything? Even if it is technically true that it is the manifestation of change in the environment, isnt a social environment more relevent in a human context?

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Good point

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Quote: from Moridin at 4:23 am on June 18, 2008

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 7:09 am on June 18, 2008

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I'm wondering why the this cannot be ascribed to learned effects, and 'hints' at a linkage to neurobiological entities. Not that it is necessarily wrong, but such was noted at the beginning. It's certainly interesting though.

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Because cerebral responses to putative pheromone cannot be a learned effect by definition.

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Can you explain that to me and give me some links? If so, why did they hint at this being possible?

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If I expose you to hydrogen cyanide gas, and you die from inhaling it, can that be ascribed to learning or neurobiology?

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Quote: from Moridin at 12:59 pm on June 17, 2008

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Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 6:44 pm on June 17, 2008

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Then can you please explain to me the biology behind necrophilia, pedophilia, or bestiality?  Are these not legitimate sexual preferences for the individuals involved?

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 Nope. More like mental disorders. But we will find a mechanistic explanation to them eventually, but perhaps you think it is a result of demonic possessions?

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You'd argue that pedophilia is a mental disorder if it ties directly in one's perception of what constitutes as beauty?  And if I were a proponent of literal demonology, Moridin, I'd already have sent in papers for your exorcism.  

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:36 pm on June 18, 2008

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Quote: from Moridin at 4:23 am on June 18, 2008

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 7:09 am on June 18, 2008

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I'm wondering why the this cannot be ascribed to learned effects, and 'hints' at a linkage to neurobiological entities. Not that it is necessarily wrong, but such was noted at the beginning. It's certainly interesting though.

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 Because cerebral responses to putative pheromone cannot be a learned effect by definition.

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Can you explain that to me and give me some links? If so, why did they hint at this being possible?

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If I expose you to hydrogen cyanide gas, and you die from inhaling it, can that be ascribed to learning or neurobiology?

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More or less

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If I expose you to hydrogen cyanide gas, and you die from inhaling it, can that be ascribed to learning or neurobiology?

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:36 pm on June 18, 2008

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Quote: from Moridin at 4:23 am on June 18, 2008

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 7:09 am on June 18, 2008

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I'm wondering why the this cannot be ascribed to learned effects, and 'hints' at a linkage to neurobiological entities. Not that it is necessarily wrong, but such was noted at the beginning. It's certainly interesting though.

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 Because cerebral responses to putative pheromone cannot be a learned effect by definition.

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Can you explain that to me and give me some links? If so, why did they hint at this being possible?

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If I expose you to hydrogen cyanide gas, and you die from inhaling it, can that be ascribed to learning or neurobiology?

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Quote: from Moridin at 4:01 pm on June 20, 2008

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 4:36 pm on June 18, 2008

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Quote: from Moridin at 4:23 am on June 18, 2008

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 7:09 am on June 18, 2008

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I'm wondering why the this cannot be ascribed to learned effects, and 'hints' at a linkage to neurobiological entities. Not that it is necessarily wrong, but such was noted at the beginning. It's certainly interesting though.

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 Because cerebral responses to putative pheromone cannot be a learned effect by definition.

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Can you explain that to me and give me some links? If so, why did they hint at this being possible?

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If I expose you to hydrogen cyanide gas, and you die from inhaling it, can that be ascribed to learning or neurobiology?

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Are you saying cyanide gas is a pheromone? And that it causes a cerebral response?

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I'm saying that your response to HCN cannot by  learned, by definition

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I'm saying that your response to HCN cannot by  learned, by definition

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Why don't we talk about what's actually been posted instead of just arguing over semantics like we ALWAYS DO.

oh ps I already posted this, but nobody gave a shit
http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-iiybba-support-a.html

Post edited at 9:46 am on June 21, 2008 by Micus

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Forever Angel, I'm suprised that you have nothing to say about the article itself posted. You came in here and first thing attacked the validity of Moridin's assertion that he's "thought this for awhile now", and then went from there. Is it because for once you actually have nothing to say about scientific evidence?

Why don't we talk about what's actually been posted instead of just arguing over semantics like we ALWAYS DO.

oh ps I already posted this, but nobody gave a shit
http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-iiybba-support-a.html

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I argue with Moridin mainly because of his motives for posting something, the less than truthful posts he makes and his inability to admit when he's wrong.

I think I did read that post, it seems familiar.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/09/science/09cnd-smell.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Brain response to putative pheromones in lesbian women

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/0600331103v1

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