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Quote: from King kong at 2:40 pm on July 4, 2008

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The desabled you can't work get the money  
 those who are searching for a job get the money

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Let them die. Genetics will correct itself over time.

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clearly u know very little about genetics. It doesnt 'correct' itsself, there will always be people who have genetic disorders because most of them are ressessive so perfectly healthy properous people may have unhealthy babies, also, it does not account for trauma during life that creates disabled people or people who cannot work.

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you end up eating bread from the bag, dipped in anything runnier than bread.

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Quote: from Takinam at 2:38 pm on July 4, 2008

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We care about all our citizens. Lazy or otherwise.

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In Democracy, PEOPLE decide. Most people dont like taxes, or having their money stolen to be handed to lazy fucks.

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There will be no democracy, only anarchy once the government collapses due to lack of funds from the tazes.

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I made it rain on my hoes.Then god smote me for trying to play god.

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Quote: from tait at 2:39 pm on July 4, 2008

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Actually most people care about others.

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No they fucking dont. Everyone is a self serving cunt. Nobody wants to pay taxes to take care of the poor. Fuck that.

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Facist troll.

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I made it rain on my hoes.Then god smote me for trying to play god.

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How about you take your crazy ideals elsewhere?

We care about all our citizens. Lazy or otherwise.

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No you don't, not actually.  If you did you wouldn't force some citizens to be deprived of the fruits of their labor in order for you to make yourself feel like a good person.

You're just selfishly mandating others pay the price for your ego and you have the perverted sense to label that tyranny as compassion.

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and here we have another liberal nutjob. Call the democrats they might want him.

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Who me?

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I made it rain on my hoes.Then god smote me for trying to play god.

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and here we have another liberal nutjob. Call the democrats they might want him.

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He's just a commie.

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What about old people and veterans who can't work due to injuries from protecting YOUR country?
People who've given their whole lifetimes in service to your country and you want to let them die in the street?  
And you right-wingers call yourself patriots?
You're fucking kidding me you selfish pig.

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Most of the time it isn't service to a country but some narrow agenda of those in charge.

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Mankind shall never be truly free
until the last king is hanged with the guts of the last priest. -Voltaire

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What about old people and veterans who can't work due to injuries from protecting YOUR country?
People who've given their whole lifetimes in service to your country and you want to let them die in the street?  
And you right-wingers call yourself patriots?
You're fucking kidding me you selfish pig.

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If you're using the word and to co-join old people with veterans who can't work due to injuries then I'll have to separate the two terms.  If you are meaning old veterans and non old veterans who can't work due to injuries than we have no problem.

No one said anything about veterans - their injuries should be afforded to by their employer and currently are covered by support as terms (and legal ones at that) of their employment.  Of course no one ever in this thread has said that they shouldn't be covered yet you assumed our position which you then went on to attack.  Thats called a strawman where you make up a position, attach it to your opponent and then attack the position they never claimed to hold.  Its a logical fallacy and a sign of poor argumentative skill and rigor.

Now back to the veterans (me being a veteran btw) who can't work due to injuries.  The reason some of them are receiving poor care currently is because that care is being handled by government who since it has no need for these people they try to not treat them.  This is the same government you to treat others.  If they won't even treat their former employees well why do you think that they will treat others well?  If anything the relatively recent scandals involving veteran hospitals is evidence that government should never be involved in providing healthcare because it has proven itself multiple times incapable of doing so.

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Quote: from Mish34 at 3:34 pm on July 6, 2008

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What about old people and veterans who can't work due to injuries from protecting YOUR country?  
 People who've given their whole lifetimes in service to your country and you want to let them die in the street?
 And you right-wingers call yourself patriots?  
 You're fucking kidding me you selfish pig.

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If you're using the word and to co-join old people with veterans who can't work due to injuries then I'll have to separate the two terms. If you are meaning old veterans and non old veterans who can't work due to injuries than we have no problem.

No one said anything about veterans - their injuries should be afforded to by their employer and currently are covered by support as terms (and legal ones at that) of their employment. Of course no one ever in this thread has said that they shouldn't be covered yet you assumed our position which you then went on to attack. Thats called a strawman where you make up a position, attach it to your opponent and then attack the position they never claimed to hold. Its a logical fallacy and a sign of poor argumentative skill and rigor.

Now back to the veterans (me being a veteran btw) who can't work due to injuries. The reason some of them are receiving poor care currently is because that care is being handled by government who since it has no need for these people they try to not treat them. This is the same government you to treat others. If they won't even treat their former employees well why do you think that they will treat others well? If anything the relatively recent scandals involving veteran hospitals is evidence that government should never be involved in providing healthcare because it has proven itself multiple times incapable of doing so.

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Don't be condescending, I know what  straw man is. This isn't one, the OP said that "society with NO welfare is ideal", I took "NO welfare" to mean "no welfare for anyone, including veterans". I think anyone else would have made the same conclusion.

Obviously if the government is providing poor healthcare, that is a problem, but it doesn't mean they should stop providing. If a kid doesn't does his homework badly in school, you don't say "OK, you can't do this well, don't do it at all", you make him do it better.

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Nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices
calling for change.

A business that fails to meet the demands of consumers is punished and likely to go out of business.

A government agency that fails to meet the demands of consumers is rewarded with a larger budget.

Which reward system do you believe encourages meeting the demands of the consumers?

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Since government is the ultimate authority (or it always supposes it is) how does one "make" government do anything?

A business that fails to meet the demands of consumers is punished and likely to go out of business.

A government agency that fails to meet the demands of consumers is rewarded with a larger budget.

Which reward system do you believe encourages meeting the demands of the consumers?

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I never said the system was perfect.

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Nothing can stand in the way of the power of millions of voices
calling for change.