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Quote: from cicerom16 at 6:42 pm on July 10, 2008
 Quote: from Moridin at 12:36 am on July 9, 2008
The Conservation of Energy: Matter/energy can neither be created or destroyed. This seems to disprove divine creation. 
It had to come from somewhere. It had to have a beginning. If God doesn't exist, there had to be a point where something had to come from nothing. If the Law of Conservation of Energy is true, then God, who is not made of matter or energy, had to be there to create matter.
Then "god" itself needed to come from somewhere! If the conservation of energy is true, energy could not have, by definition, been created, since it can neither be created or destroyed.
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Soren Kierkegaard
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I agree with the Law, however, you still cannot account for the expansion without a presumption of existence beforehand. Is merely presuming something existed beforehand considered proper, cold, hard scientifically proven fact?
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Yes that law is just one of the many things that shows there is no god
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Quote: from Moridin at 12:53 pm on July 10, 2008
Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 10:48 pm on July 10, 2008
I agree with the Law, however, you still cannot account for the expansion without a presumption of existence beforehand. Is merely presuming something existed beforehand considered proper, cold, hard scientifically proven fact?
Existence exists axiomatically. Is that so hard to grasp. Furthermore, as a theist, you presuppose an ever more improbable existence, namely god.
Yes, but at least a presumption of a metaphysical creation is plausible compared to a miraculous existence of everything prior to a sudden expansion. If one is metaphysical, they are not bound by the same limitations from that of the Natural World or existence; but since when has the Natural World the potential to violate their own Laws by being infinitely aged, as well? Not to mention that this is speculation and theoretical, which are other words for guesswork.
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( Moridin )
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That a magical, omnipotent, transcendent and infinitely complex god some how exists is completely implausible. No one is arguing that nature is infinitely old. It may very well be finite, yet without beginning.
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Quote: from Moridin at 12:37 pm on July 11, 2008
That a magical, omnipotent, transcendent and infinitely complex god some how exists is completely implausible. No one is arguing that nature is infinitely old. It may very well be finite, yet without beginning.
Completely implausible is not synonymous with impossible or even close.
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