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Evolution: Invention of Satan?
Replies: 26 — Last Post July 10 11:09am by swishone
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Clouse227


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This guys just fails.

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osmoticdespair


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Quote: from Moridin at 8:31 am on July 9, 2008
All attacks against reason are self-refuting, since it requires that the position that it is reasonable to deny reasonableness. Pointing out self-refuting statements presupposes reason, so you are just declaring your own argument false.

Foundationalism and basic beliefs are compatible with reason.

It is not reasonable to presume that reason is capable of discerning truth. Such a presumption is a perfectly valid belief, but its does not pertain to reason.

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Moridin


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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 10:39 am on July 9, 2008
Quote: from Moridin at 8:31 am on July 9, 2008
All attacks against reason are self-refuting, since it requires that the position that it is reasonable to deny reasonableness. Pointing out self-refuting statements presupposes reason, so you are just declaring your own argument false.  

 Foundationalism and basic beliefs are compatible with reason.

It is not reasonable to presume that reason is capable of discerning truth. Such a presumption is a perfectly valid belief, but its does not pertain to reason.

So you think that you have reached a reasonable conclusion? If so, you are contradicting yourself. If not, why should I bother listening to you if you admit that you are unreasonable?

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osmoticdespair


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Quote: from Moridin at 8:40 am on July 9, 2008
why should I bother listening to you if you admit that you are unreasonable?
Why listen to me anyway if all you have to go on is reason and nothing else you will never get further than chasing your own tail.

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Lob sei Gott sein'm ein'gen Sohn,
Lob sei Gott dem Heil'gen Geist
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Moridin


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Quote: from osmoticdespair at 10:45 am on July 9, 2008
Quote: from Moridin at 8:40 am on July 9, 2008
why should I bother listening to you if you admit that you are unreasonable?
Why listen to me anyway if all you have to go on is reason and nothing else you will never get further than chasing your own tail.

So you cannot answer my question? I'll accept that as your concession.

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"The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the
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osmoticdespair


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Quote: from Moridin at 8:47 am on July 9, 2008
Quote: from osmoticdespair at 10:45 am on July 9, 2008
Quote: from Moridin at 8:40 am on July 9, 2008
why should I bother listening to you if you admit that you are unreasonable?
Why listen to me anyway if all you have to go on is reason and nothing else you will never get further than chasing your own tail.

So you cannot answer my question? I'll accept that as your concession.

Here is an analogy to your argument:
Jo: Tim said that we should believe everything in Tim's book 'how to give all your money to Tim'.
Moridin: But wait, it also says in that book that Tim is lying to you so that you will want to give him money and that he is laughing in your face hahaha.
Jo: Either you accept that the book is true because Tim says so in the book or you accept the book is true because the book happens to admit it is all lies. Either way the book is true! HAHA Moridin. You believe Tim too. Either that or you are mad and just contradicting yourself.

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Lob sei Gott sein'm ein'gen Sohn,
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Moridin


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What an intelligent non-argument. Reason is axiomatically justified.

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chaosdisown


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or you can go for a much simpler approach and not except what he is saying and move on? sorry i just wanted to feel a part of this conversation also D:

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nigeltheoutlaw


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Wow. That is pathetic.

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Soren Kierkegaard


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Another reason how and why mass conversion or instruction fails miserably when both the teacher and audience fail to see the point of the lecture, itself.

Arrogant?  Yes.
Condescending?  Yes.
Dry?  Very sarcastic, which tries to entertain rather than inform.

Would I watch them again?  No, I'd rather waste my time doing something else.

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TooImaginativeTeen


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My god if evolution is satan's, then REASON and RATIONALITY is satan's.
You want to bet some morons out there think reason and rationality were satan's tools to fool you all along?
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swishone


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Wow that guy is a uninformed douche , good god what a loser
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