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Quote: from Energizer Rabit at 4:59 pm on Oct. 27, 2005

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People do have a choice. If they don't want to have a child they shouldn't have sex.  
 

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When people say things like the above quote, it makes me think that they dont quite grasp the situation.  I could be wrong, however, but the reason 'if you dont want a child, dont have sex' is, to put it rather bluntly, stupid.

Sex is something that all species do, in one way or another, and something that has always been done.
Because it is part of life, it has become a general necessity for the majority of the population.  It is only human-invented beliefs that stop people having sex in the streets.

It is part of human nature to want sex.

But in humans, the reasons for people having sex has evolved.  It is no longer something that needs to be done to keep the population thriving.  It is something that is done, to keep relationships alive, something that is done for money..There are all kinds of reasons why people have sex in this day and age, and having sex to have a child doesnt appear to be the main reason.

Also, when people mention things like birth control should be used when people have sex.  Well of course it SHOULD be used.  But whether it IS used or not, it still isnt 100% effective.  And if it is used, and it fails, are the pro-lifers willing to let someone who obviously doesnt want a baby, have one anyway?

Also, when someone is pro-life, do they say that based on what THEY would do, or what is best for the general population of woman who are pregnant and dont want to be?  Do they realise that from the minute of conception, the baby is unwanted? Do they KNOW themselves what it is like to feel UNWANTED?

This is my opinion, and as always, I reserve the right to change it, but it would have to take something pretty big to do that.

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So people don't have a choice of wether or not they should have sex?

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Unless you've gone through it all, you'll never understand what it's like to be pregnant and have people tell you that you should keep it because it's your own mistake.  

You get raped by a stranger, family member or anyone, and end up being pregnant. What would you do? Stick with it? Just wait until one day you get pregnant and the government says you have to keep it. You might not see yourself as being pro-life then.  

The government has no right mucking around in the personal lives of women and telling them what they can't do when it comes to their own lives. Financial stability is a big thing when having a kid, and I think it has a lot to do with the choice of having an abortion.

But not wanting it is a whole different story. If your simply having an abortion because you don't want it then yeah you should have to keep the child. My sister got pregnant and she was financially stable and had family to help her and I wouldn't let her abort my nephew or give him up for adoption just because she simply didn't want him. Of course she said this during pregnancy but after having him... well he's loved by many people including my sister.  

Abortion isn't the easiest thing to go through either. It does take a lot for a girl to make that choice, and some girls suffer depression after their choice so it's not like it goes unpunished. You know you'd aborted a life and you feel bad but there's nothing you can do.

Well... that's the way I see it.

(Edited by xiheartyoux at 11:54 am on Oct. 30, 2005)

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Quote: from Teneille at 8:35 pm on Oct. 28, 2005

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Quote: from Energizer Rabit at 4:59 pm on Oct. 27, 2005

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People do have a choice. If they don't want to have a child they shouldn't have sex.    
  

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 When people say things like the above quote, it makes me think that they dont quite grasp the situation.  I could be wrong, however, but the reason 'if you dont want a child, dont have sex' is, to put it rather bluntly, stupid.  

 Sex is something that all species do, in one way or another, and something that has always been done.  
 Because it is part of life, it has become a general necessity for the majority of the population.  It is only human-invented beliefs that stop people having sex in the streets.  

 It is part of human nature to want sex.  

 But in humans, the reasons for people having sex has evolved.  It is no longer something that needs to be done to keep the population thriving.  It is something that is done, to keep relationships alive, something that is done for money..There are all kinds of reasons why people have sex in this day and age, and having sex to have a child doesnt appear to be the main reason.  

 Also, when people mention things like birth control should be used when people have sex.  Well of course it SHOULD be used.  But whether it IS used or not, it still isnt 100% effective.  And if it is used, and it fails, are the pro-lifers willing to let someone who obviously doesnt want a baby, have one anyway?  

 Also, when someone is pro-life, do they say that based on what THEY would do, or what is best for the general population of woman who are pregnant and dont want to be?  Do they realise that from the minute of conception, the baby is unwanted? Do they KNOW themselves what it is like to feel UNWANTED?  

 This is my opinion, and as always, I reserve the right to change it, but it would have to take something pretty big to do that.

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So people don't have a choice of wether or not they should have sex?

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You didn't read what I said.  There are words in there, like "general" and "majority".  This means that certain things were taken into account.  E.g. Religious beliefs.  There is always going to be abstinence, but this isnt about Nuns and people who have had terrible experiences with sex.  It is (the statement I made) about the general population of those who are old enough to be able to have sex and actually want it.  (So that means, in my opinion, those who want the closeness of another human being in a way that sex provides (for whatever reason), those who have been through puberty and understand what is going on).

Analyze this is you want, pull it to pieces if you feel the need, but right now I dont care for that.  I think the general idea is pretty obvious.

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It's only the beautiful birds that get caged.

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Quote: from abspwnsyou at 9:38 pm on Oct. 21, 2005

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To just murder your children simply because you aren't financially stable or you just don't want them, should be a criminal offense.  If you did not wish to have those children, then you could have either not had sex or had your reproductive organs removed.  You made a concious decision to have sex, thus you should be held accountable for the outcome of your choice.

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Hm.  How many times have I heard this statement?

There are many ways to view abortion, correct?  So get over it.  If a person is PRO-LIFE then fine.  They have a right to be that way and who am I to tell them they cant believe that abortion is murder?

But that still doesnt mean they have the right to tell people who are PRO-CHOICE that they HAVE to keep an unwanted baby!

It's all in the words.

PRO-CHOICE.  Get it? We do not discriminate against those who feel within themselves that abortion is not ok.

I think what is needed here, is some acceptance, some more knowledge of human behaviour/experiences in the age of today...  And for people to get off their high horses about certain things.  People will always disagree!

Just because I dont have the same opinion as someone else, doesnt mean I have to be called a murderer! Which is what, in effect, abs is calling all those who think the woman should have the right to believe in what she WANTS to believe in, particularly regarding abortion.

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There is an undeniable hilarity in spooking your friends.
It's only the beautiful birds that get caged.

So yes, I'm pro-choice.

(Edited by Bud2400 at 11:54 pm on Oct. 30, 2005)

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why have an abortion? if u can up ur legs u should take what might come out.  

 

 

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I totally agree... Definately Pro-Life here!!!!

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Quote: from johnlover2006 at 8:41 am on Oct. 20, 2005

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why have an abortion? if u can up ur legs u should take what might come out.  

  

  

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I totally agree... Definately Pro-Life here!!!!

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Why?  Because a person has sex, they should just deal with a baby too?

How many posts did you read, before choosing to quote the post you did?

So I guess you laugh in the face of those who suffer from AIDS? And those who suffer from other various kinds of STDs? And dont care for the child who was born into a violent family, or a family who just DOESNT CARE, simply because of the guilt trip the mother suffered when people like yourself harassed her just for doing something that nearly every human being does in their lifetime?

So from your superior point of view, what is a mistake?  Oh, I guess you must be the ONLY perfect human being on this planet.  One who never does anything wrong, one who never used an eraser at school because every word was perfect, one who will remain absolutely abstinant until she is married and knows that she DEFINATELY wants to have a child...

My, my.  Oh well.  At least I have the priviledge of replying to a perfect persons response to this controversial topic.

Any more thoughts on this?

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There is an undeniable hilarity in spooking your friends.
It's only the beautiful birds that get caged.

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Quote: from Energizer Rabit at 3:23 pm on Oct. 30, 2005

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Quote: from Teneille at 8:35 pm on Oct. 28, 2005

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Quote: from Energizer Rabit at 4:59 pm on Oct. 27, 2005

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People do have a choice. If they don't want to have a child they shouldn't have sex.    
   

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  When people say things like the above quote, it makes me think that they dont quite grasp the situation.  I could be wrong, however, but the reason 'if you dont want a child, dont have sex' is, to put it rather bluntly, stupid.  

  Sex is something that all species do, in one way or another, and something that has always been done.  
  Because it is part of life, it has become a general necessity for the majority of the population.  It is only human-invented beliefs that stop people having sex in the streets.  

  It is part of human nature to want sex.  

  But in humans, the reasons for people having sex has evolved.  It is no longer something that needs to be done to keep the population thriving.  It is something that is done, to keep relationships alive, something that is done for money..There are all kinds of reasons why people have sex in this day and age, and having sex to have a child doesnt appear to be the main reason.  

  Also, when people mention things like birth control should be used when people have sex.  Well of course it SHOULD be used.  But whether it IS used or not, it still isnt 100% effective.  And if it is used, and it fails, are the pro-lifers willing to let someone who obviously doesnt want a baby, have one anyway?  

  Also, when someone is pro-life, do they say that based on what THEY would do, or what is best for the general population of woman who are pregnant and dont want to be?  Do they realise that from the minute of conception, the baby is unwanted? Do they KNOW themselves what it is like to feel UNWANTED?  

  This is my opinion, and as always, I reserve the right to change it, but it would have to take something pretty big to do that.

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 So people don't have a choice of wether or not they should have sex?

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You didn't read what I said.  There are words in there, like "general" and "majority".  This means that certain things were taken into account.  E.g. Religious beliefs.  There is always going to be abstinence, but this isnt about Nuns and people who have had terrible experiences with sex.  It is (the statement I made) about the general population of those who are old enough to be able to have sex and actually want it.  (So that means, in my opinion, those who want the closeness of another human being in a way that sex provides (for whatever reason), those who have been through puberty and understand what is going on).

Analyze this is you want, pull it to pieces if you feel the need, but right now I dont care for that.  I think the general idea is pretty obvious.

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You didn't answer my question. Do people, or do people not have the choice to have sex? Because if it isn't a choice, and we can't choose wether we have sex or not, then the whole idea of rape is either completely out the window, or it happens everytime anyone has sex. Take your pick.

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Do you have the bunny inside?

Further more the book talks about killing old people who are too old, and who aren't worth the resources to keep them around, and when there are too many babies to feed, or there are babies who won't stop crying, they have a doctor stick the baby with a big long needle in the back of the head to smash all of the brains out. Its a baby so it can't feel anything. I think this is also an excellent idea. This way there won't be any extra mouths to feed, and society won't have to take care of unwanted babies and old people.

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Do you have the bunny inside?

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It is officially unconstitutional to ban abortion because it violates a womans personal right to freedom of choice. Abortion is a good thing under certain circumstances.

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Abortion is illegal here. Under all circumstances. It works out grand. Seems to me that once a society gets used to something being legal then people get more lax about the issue, "if it's legal then it must be okay". Over here it's illegal and an alarmingly high percentage of people are Pro-Life; "it's obviously wrong, why else would it be illegal?".

Anyway, point in hand: Women over here survive perfectly fine without abortion, and in no way are any of their fundamental human rights being infringed upon.

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