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What do you think Jews are?
Replies: 49Last Post Sep. 27, 2008 10:07pm by jakelong
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Choice Votes Percent  
A race or group of people that are born into Judaism (besides religiously) 7 14%
A religon 7 14%
A nation 0 0%
A culture or way of life 5 10%
A mix of all of the above 22 45%
None of the above 7 14%
Vote Now! 48 Votes Cast
Shaknbake


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Quote: from carracer at 5:09 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

I mean some customs we have are universal and are basically the same wherever you go, but some things are not.

What custom NOT related to the Jewish religion is held in common by the different Jewish communities (Sephardi, Ashkenazim, Arab etc.)?

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Quote: from Shaknbake at 5:48 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Quote: from carracer at 5:09 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

I mean  some customs we have are universal and are basically the same wherever you go, but some things are not.

What custom NOT related to the Jewish religion is held in common by the different Jewish communities (Sephardi, Ashkenazim, Arab etc.)?



Well seeing as the entire culture is BASED on religion....

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Quote: from kidd rune at 5:44 pm on Sep. 27, 2008


just about every one of your topics insults someone racially.
I don't ever intend to insult people, sometimes the truth just hurts.


If you don't think whites are superior, why do you repeatedly denounce black and asian intellectual ability?
Maybe it's true? It's more evidence to support the fact that Whites should continue living on instead of dying out by mixing.

its not the truth.
Your just racist.
You don't take any other conditions into account.

"Maybe it's true? It's more evidence to support the fact that Whites should continue living on instead of dying out by mixing."

So your racist.

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Actually, it's based off of race.

The Jewish Encyclopedia (1948 edition) in Vol. 6 regarding the striking differences which exist between Judaism and other religions states:  The very name Judaism sharply differentiates it from other religions. Whereas  Buddhism centers in Buddha, Christianity in Christ, Mohammedanism in Mohammed, Judaism centers in no particular personality - but in the Jewish people themselves ... while Christianity is based upon events in the life of Christ, Judaism is based on occurrences in the history of the Jews.

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If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
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Quote: from kidd rune at 6:55 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Actually, it's based off of race.

The Jewish Encyclopedia (1948 edition) in Vol. 6 regarding the striking differences which exist between Judaism and other religions states: The very name Judaism sharply differentiates it from other religions. Whereas Buddhism centers in Buddha, Christianity in Christ, Mohammedanism in Mohammed, Judaism centers in no particular personality - but in the Jewish people themselves ... while Christianity is based upon events in the life of Christ, Judaism is based on occurrences in the history of the Jews.


It is still a mixture of different ideologies.
Not every jew is of jewish descent.
People do convert to judaism.



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Shaknbake


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Quote: from carracer at 6:51 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Well seeing as the entire culture is BASED on religion....

My point is that it's irrelevant to mention similar customs when the similar customs derive exclusively from the religion. Ladino and Yiddish are very different. Klezmer and the music of Arab Jews is presumably quite different.

Judaism is exclusively religion/ethnic identity, and not a culture. If the only cultural features shared by the different Jewish groups are derived from the religion, they can't be said to be cultural similarities at all.



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Quote: from carracer at 6:59 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Not every jew is of jewish descent.
People do convert to judaism.

How far back does your Jewish ancestry have to go before you can be claimed to be of Jewish descent?



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Quote: from Shaknbake at 7:02 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Quote: from carracer at 6:51 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Well seeing as the entire culture is BASED on religion....

My point is that it's irrelevant to mention similar customs when the similar customs derive exclusively from the religion. Ladino and Yiddish are very different. Klezmer and the music of Arab Jews is presumably quite different.

Judaism is exclusively religion/ethnic identity, and not a culture. If the only cultural features shared by the different Jewish groups are derived from the religion, they can't be said to be cultural similarities at all.


See but all those things you named are exclusive only to jews.
Just to different jews.

Ladino and Yiddish are languages almost only spoken by jews.

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Quote: from Shaknbake at 7:04 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Quote: from carracer at 6:59 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Not every jew is of jewish descent.  
 People do convert to judaism.

How far back does your Jewish ancestry have to go before you can be claimed to be of Jewish descent?


Its not down to a science.
I've never had to answer that question, and I am not sure what the answer is.

How far does any ancestry have to go before before you can claim descent?

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Quote: from carracer at 6:59 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Quote: from kidd rune at 6:55 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Actually, it's based off of race.  

 The Jewish Encyclopedia (1948 edition) in Vol. 6 regarding the striking differences which exist between Judaism and other religions states:  The very name Judaism sharply differentiates it from other religions. Whereas  Buddhism centers in Buddha, Christianity in Christ, Mohammedanism in Mohammed, Judaism centers in no particular personality - but in the Jewish people themselves ... while Christianity is based upon events in the life of Christ, Judaism is based on occurrences in the history of the Jews.


It is still a mixture of different ideologies.
Not every jew is of jewish descent.
People do convert to judaism.  


Actually, they frown on converts and believe that one must be born of a Jewish mother in order to be recognized as a Jew. (Today many Jews will accept one born of a Jewish father.) It is Jewish blood which makes one a Jew. Jews actively try to discourage converts. Many who have married Jews and sought to become converts say they are never truly accepted by racial Jews as a "fellow Jew."  

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If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
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Quote: from kidd rune at 7:18 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Quote: from carracer at 6:59 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Quote: from kidd rune at 6:55 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Actually, it's based off of race.

  The Jewish Encyclopedia (1948 edition) in Vol. 6 regarding the striking differences which exist between Judaism and other religions states: The very name Judaism sharply differentiates it from other religions. Whereas Buddhism centers in Buddha, Christianity in Christ, Mohammedanism in Mohammed, Judaism centers in no particular personality - but in the Jewish people themselves ... while Christianity is based upon events in the life of Christ, Judaism is based on occurrences in the history of the Jews.


 It is still a mixture of different ideologies.  
 Not every jew is of jewish descent.  
 People do convert to judaism.

 


Actually, they frown on converts and believe that one must be born of a Jewish mother in order to be recognized as a Jew. (Today many Jews will accept one born of a Jewish father.) It is Jewish blood which makes one a Jew. Jews actively try to discourage converts. Many who have married Jews and sought to become converts say they are never truly accepted by racial Jews as a "fellow Jew."

You are so so misinformed.
Even the most religious sects of judaism ENCOURAGE conversion.
They don't force it upon them, but if the person wants to convert, judaism invites them with open arms.
Hell me dad was a convert.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Don't give this bullshit.
My dad converted under orthodox rabbis and never complained.
They have absolutely nothing against converts.

Don't make things up please.
Thanks.

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Shaknbake


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Quote: from kidd rune at 7:18 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

Actually, they frown on converts and believe that one must be born of a Jewish mother in order to be recognized as a Jew. (Today many Jews will accept one born of a Jewish father.) It is Jewish blood which makes one a Jew. Jews actively try to discourage converts.

Find me a Jewish organization that frowns on honest conversion to Judaism please, or actively tries to discourage converts.


Many who have married Jews and sought to become converts say they are never truly accepted by racial Jews as a "fellow Jew."

Many Canadians actually believe the moon is made of cheese.
Many women say they believe sex is better when they're standing on their heads.
Many French people can't tell the difference between true Champagne and sparkling wine from California.
Many people are convinced by unbacked assertions such as this.

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You are so so misinformed.
Even the most religious sects of judaism ENCOURAGE conversion.
They don't force it upon them, but if the person wants to convert, judaism invites them with open arms.
Hell me dad was a convert.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Don't give this bullshit.
My dad converted under orthodox rabbis and never complained.
They have absolutely nothing against converts.

Don't make things up please.
Thanks.


I'm speaking of the true form of Judaism, where they read the Talmud and whatnot.

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If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
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Quote: from kidd rune at 7:27 pm on Sep. 27, 2008


You are so so misinformed.
Even the most religious sects of judaism ENCOURAGE conversion.
They don't force it upon them, but if the person wants to convert, judaism invites them with open arms.
Hell me dad was a convert.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Don't give this bullshit.
My dad converted under orthodox rabbis and never complained.
They have absolutely nothing against converts.

Don't make things up please.
Thanks.


I'm speaking of the true form of Judaism, where they read the Talmud and whatnot.

You mean all forms of reform, conservative, and ORTHODOX judaism?

Your an idiot.

Orthodox judaism is the most traditionally religious group there is.

They study mishna, gemara, talmud, navi, psalms, torah, rashi, rambam, modern commentators etc.

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The ones that follow the Talmud.

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If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
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