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there was a study that genes don't discriminate - so...black guy could be more genetically identical to asian than another black guy

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Do you have a source anywhere with this information?

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I'm jazzy jeff.

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I read that whole thing and saw absolutely no proof...just the same rehashed race and biology study. The only valid truth on there is the ability to find someone's race based off physical appearance...but I've already asked the question...is that all we're basing race off of?

Blacks on the negative extreme spectrum/ white in between (how convenient)/ and asians on a positive extreme spectrum.

Blacks (Physically Superior, work horses) Whites (Adequate and Moderate in all areas) Asians (Physically inferior, braniacs)

Can you link me to actual proof of someone finding out a person's race from collecting semen and/or blood?

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The following table of percentages of genetic differences between human populations presents the estimates for 19 populations from the above table in an easier to read and understand form. The human-chimpanzee genetic difference, giving the greatest degree of difference from the commonly accepted range using the same methodology, is added for context and comparison.

If one were to spatially visualize the first column of the above scale, with a German standing at a distance of 20 feet from an Englishman, a Finn would stand at a distance of 50 feet, an Italian at 70 feet, a northern Indian at 200 feet, a Japanese at 610 feet, a North American Amerindian at 760 feet, a Nigerian at 1,330 feet, and a Chimpanzee at 16,000 feet. The greatest percentage of genetic difference is .176% between Nigerians and Australian Aborigines. This is 11% of the genetic difference of 1.6% between humans and chimpanzees, different biological Families whose ancestral lines are believed to have separated 5-7 million years ago. The .133% genetic difference between the English and Nigerian populations is 8.3% as large as the genetic difference between humans and chimpanzees. The .061% genetic difference between the English and Japanese or Korean populations is 3.8% as large as the genetic difference between humans and chimpanzees. Seen in this context, these are very significant genetic differences. It is also worth noting that for both the English and the Japanese, representing Europeans and Northeast Asians, the greatest percentage of genetic difference is with the Nigerians, and that the degree of this difference, .133% for the English and .149% for the Japanese, is very similar. By comparison, the English and Japanese degree of difference from the Australian Aborigine population, .122% for the English and .062% for the Japanese, is very different, with the English-Australoid difference twice as great as the Japanese-Australoid difference.

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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros

How can race be a fact of biology if blood samples and/or semen samples cannot decipher which race it belongs to?

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I'm jazzy jeff.

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The study is basically comparing each race to a chimpanzee? That doesn't prove anything.  

How can race be a fact of biology if blood samples and/or semen samples cannot decipher which race it belongs to?

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And race can be distinguished through our cells. That's what the genetic differences are about. Each race has its own mutations that push it away from other races. They have tests nowadays that you send in saliva, blood, or some other form of your cell and they'll tell you the racial makeup of some of your genetic code.

It's pretty simple and highly inaccurate though. It's full of filler-DNA and only tests certain genes, the equivalent of viewing 50 bricks on a house of 1000's and claiming that they all look like that.

They can't only distinguish race by DNA, but by bone structure is the favored method. An anthropologist can determine the race of a skull very quickly due to their observable differences.

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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros

I do not believe race can be distinguished by DNA, that's a load of B.S. until I see full proof.

It's very easy to accept what's put in front of you by a WN when you're not being called a large, physically-superior, bumbling idiot.

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I'm jazzy jeff.

Humans isolated themselves and evolved to fit their environment. As we can easily distinguish species by DNA, we can do the same with race.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zgpcu

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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros

All they talked about generally is the differences in genes between African and European ancestry.

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I'm jazzy jeff.

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I went through that entire article (skipped the parts that went beyond my comprehension) and didn't find a single paragraph discussing any sort of success in race discovery through a DNA source.

All they talked about generally is the differences in genes between African and European ancestry.

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Quote: from Headst0ck at 6:05 pm on Sep. 27, 2008

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I went through that entire article (skipped the parts that went beyond my comprehension) and didn't find a single paragraph discussing any sort of success in race discovery through a DNA source.  

 All they talked about generally is the differences in genes between African and European ancestry.

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Exactly. They can see these differences at a genetic level and determine the race of the person.

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And how are these genes categorized as European and African?

Individuals possess different genes...how can one say this gene is more European and the other more African?

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I'm jazzy jeff.

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And how are these genes categorized as European and African?

Individuals possess different genes...how can one say this gene is more European and the other more African?

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Now, due to these racial differences, there were genetic differences.

Sure, all people have different genes. I have different genes than my siblings, yet we are the same race. But, I'm closer to them than a Negro.

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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros

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And how are these genes categorized as European and African?

Individuals possess different genes...how can one say this gene is more European and the other more African?

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Well, we first have to establish that these people weren't immigrants into their region, therefore the Europeans were White and the Africans were Negroes.

Now, due to these racial differences, there were genetic differences.

Sure, all people have different genes. I have different genes than my siblings, yet we are the same race. But, I'm closer to them than a Negro.

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That makes no sense...and you did not answer my question.

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I'm jazzy jeff.

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That makes no sense...and you did not answer my question.

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"Individuals possess different genes...how can one say this gene is more European and the other more African?"
Simply because that trait itself is common in Europeans, came about in Europeans, and is found only in people with European ancestry.

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"If you worship your enemy, you are defeated.
If you adopt your enemy's religion you are enslaved.
If you breed with your enemy you are destroyed."
-Polydoros

What is defined as "white" or "black" comes mainly from conventions, external appearance and superficilal knowledge.

There are a few biological evidence that mark differences in ethnic groups and origins by continents. But those continents do not correspond to race on a 1:1 ratio.

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"Everyone helpin' each other whenever they can we makin' it happen, from nothin' to somethin'
That's how we be survivin'" - BEP

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I believe race can be distinguished by bone structure...but isn't the idea of race supposed to go far and beyond physical characteristics?

I do not believe race can be distinguished by DNA, that's a load of B.S. until I see full proof.  

It's very easy to accept what's put in front of you by a WN when you're not being called a large, physically-superior, bumbling idiot.

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Um, they have been extrapolating a suspect's race from a DNA sample for quite a while.

An example: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-08-16-dna_x.htm

A scientific article on how it is done:
http://dna-view.com/race.htm