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Replies: 41 Last Post Nov. 5, 2008 5:14pm by Kuledood11
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( xXxLiberOxXx )
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Quote: from vicky91 at 1:20 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
its hard to believe things that was written thousands of years ago. there are the new testaments and the old testament. anyone could come along and change it. im not saying i dont believe in god and jesus but at the end of the day it could have been wrote by anyone, there is no proof x 
Ever heard of the dead sea scrolls? what we have now is 99% of the same as what was written on those scrolls, only a couple hundred years after Jesus life on earth.
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MushroomSatsujin
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You didnt answer my question
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Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 1:17 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Its not a matter of whether its wrong or right, its how people interpret it. The bible simply gives a message. Some people take it literally, some people read between the lines. So whos right? 
It depends. The Bible is mainly split into sections. One of which being: HISTORY. One is to read that, just like they would a History Textbook. I would read everything literally, except Revelation. The book of Revelation was a dream, so it's left to interpret. As to what Jesus said, he uses common items to make a stronger point. For example, he uses a hyperbole when he says, hate your life, hate your family, hate everything you own, and follow me. He simply means to forget what lies in the past and follow him. It's not contradictory to what he says, when he says Love. Answer your question?
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Quote: from xXxLiberOxXx at 9:27 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 1:17 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Its not a matter of whether its wrong or right, its how people interpret it. The bible simply gives a message. Some people take it literally, some people read between the lines. So whos right? 
It depends. The Bible is mainly split into sections. One of which being: HISTORY. One is to read that, just like they would a History Textbook. I would read everything literally, except Revelation. The book of Revelation was a dream, so it's left to interpret. As to what Jesus said, he uses common items to make a stronger point. For example, he uses a hyperbole when he says, hate your life, hate your family, hate everything you own, and follow me. He simply means to forget what lies in the past and follow him. It's not contradictory to what he says, when he says Love. Answer your question? 
Wrong.
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Quote: from xXxLiberOxXx at 1:27 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 1:17 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Its not a matter of whether its wrong or right, its how people interpret it. The bible simply gives a message. Some people take it literally, some people read between the lines. So whos right? 
It depends. The Bible is mainly split into sections. One of which being: HISTORY. One is to read that, just like they would a History Textbook. I would read everything literally, except Revelation. The book of Revelation was a dream, so it's left to interpret. As to what Jesus said, he uses common items to make a stronger point. For example, he uses a hyperbole when he says, hate your life, hate your family, hate everything you own, and follow me. He simply means to forget what lies in the past and follow him. It's not contradictory to what he says, when he says Love. Answer your question? 
So you take everything literally. Even Adam and Eve, I take it. The pastors at my church dont take the story of Adam and Eve literally. So whos right?
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Quote: from drifting at 1:23 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Lack of original texts, lack of proof of creation, lack of proof that a man was taken to heaven in a chariot made of fire, lack of proof that a man could turn water in to wine, lack of proof that a man walked on water, lack of proof that a man ever made someone rise from the dead, lack of proof that a man ever rose from the dead. One account doesnt make it true. Hell, multiple accounts dont make it true if they are all cited in the same source. There is absolutely no proof to prove the Bible. Those who believe it, believe it on faith alone. 
We actually have tons of proof for creation, for example the salt levels in the ocean. We have the dead sea scrolls, which happen to be a lot, if you're unaware. Also, someone walking on water: more than 12 eyewitness accounts. Jesus resurrection: more than 700 eyewitness accounts of him living after he was crucified. So we have wayyyy more than 1 account. Second, the Bible was written across 3 continents: Asia, Africa and Europe. Therefore, a mix of cultures, yet all agreeing on these accounts. And true, some might believe it on faith alone, as I originally did. But then I questioned myself and researched it and got tons of proof.
------- The Only Difference Between .:Medicine:. & .:Poison:. Is In The Dose ~.~
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Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 1:29 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Quote: from xXxLiberOxXx at 1:27 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 1:17 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Its not a matter of whether its wrong or right, its how people interpret it. The bible simply gives a message. Some people take it literally, some people read between the lines. So whos right? 
It depends. The Bible is mainly split into sections. One of which being: HISTORY. One is to read that, just like they would a History Textbook. I would read everything literally, except Revelation. The book of Revelation was a dream, so it's left to interpret. As to what Jesus said, he uses common items to make a stronger point. For example, he uses a hyperbole when he says, hate your life, hate your family, hate everything you own, and follow me. He simply means to forget what lies in the past and follow him. It's not contradictory to what he says, when he says Love. Answer your question? 
So you take everything literally. Even Adam and Eve, I take it. The pastors at my church dont take the story of Adam and Eve literally. So whos right? 
Tell me exactly how they don't take it literally.
------- The Only Difference Between .:Medicine:. & .:Poison:. Is In The Dose ~.~
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Quote: from xXxLiberOxXx at 9:31 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Quote: from drifting at 1:23 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Lack of original texts, lack of proof of creation, lack of proof that a man was taken to heaven in a chariot made of fire, lack of proof that a man could turn water in to wine, lack of proof that a man walked on water, lack of proof that a man ever made someone rise from the dead, lack of proof that a man ever rose from the dead. One account doesnt make it true. Hell, multiple accounts dont make it true if they are all cited in the same source. There is absolutely no proof to prove the Bible. Those who believe it, believe it on faith alone. 
We actually have tons of proof for creation, for example the salt levels in the ocean. We have the dead sea scrolls, which happen to be a lot, if you're unaware. Also, someone walking on water: more than 12 eyewitness accounts. Jesus resurrection: more than 700 eyewitness accounts of him living after he was crucified. So we have wayyyy more than 1 account. Second, the Bible was written across 3 continents: Asia, Africa and Europe. Therefore, a mix of cultures, yet all agreeing on these accounts. And true, some might believe it on faith alone, as I originally did. But then I questioned myself and researched it and got tons of proof. 
You obviously researched it wrong. 2000-year-old witnesses don't account for shit, no matter how numerous they were!
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Quote: from xXxLiberOxXx at 9:33 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 1:29 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Quote: from xXxLiberOxXx at 1:27 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 1:17 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Its not a matter of whether its wrong or right, its how people interpret it. The bible simply gives a message. Some people take it literally, some people read between the lines. So whos right? 
It depends. The Bible is mainly split into sections. One of which being: HISTORY. One is to read that, just like they would a History Textbook. I would read everything literally, except Revelation. The book of Revelation was a dream, so it's left to interpret. As to what Jesus said, he uses common items to make a stronger point. For example, he uses a hyperbole when he says, hate your life, hate your family, hate everything you own, and follow me. He simply means to forget what lies in the past and follow him. It's not contradictory to what he says, when he says Love. Answer your question? 
So you take everything literally. Even Adam and Eve, I take it. The pastors at my church dont take the story of Adam and Eve literally. So whos right? 
Tell me exactly how they don't take it literally. 
You'd swear you had never heard of someone not believing in the Adam and Eve story before. It's rare that someone actually takes the literally. Evolution ftw and such.
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The only problem with your theory is that the common Christian bible isn't the text which you describe. If it was it would be in its original unchanged form much like the Jewish Torah. The bible has various translations just with English alone, the king James, amplified, Lutheran ect. Now that's not to say that the real bible is wrong, just that its not in its original form.
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Quote: from xXxLiberOxXx at 1:33 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 1:29 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Quote: from xXxLiberOxXx at 1:27 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Quote: from MushroomSatsujin at 1:17 pm on Nov. 5, 2008
Its not a matter of whether its wrong or right, its how people interpret it. The bible simply gives a message. Some people take it literally, some people read between the lines. So whos right? 
It depends. The Bible is mainly split into sections. One of which being: HISTORY. One is to read that, just like they would a History Textbook. I would read everything literally, except Revelation. The book of Revelation was a dream, so it's left to interpret. As to what Jesus said, he uses common items to make a stronger point. For example, he uses a hyperbole when he says, hate your life, hate your family, hate everything you own, and follow me. He simply means to forget what lies in the past and follow him. It's not contradictory to what he says, when he says Love. Answer your question? 
So you take everything literally. Even Adam and Eve, I take it. The pastors at my church dont take the story of Adam and Eve literally. So whos right? 
Tell me exactly how they don't take it literally. 
They dont believe people were literally created from dirt. They believe in evolution
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