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Believers - Do you believe good athiests deserve heaven?  |
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 Replies: 31 — Last Post Oct. 27, 2008 8:23pm by Shaknbake
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| I am an athiest |
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nerd4life
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First off atheist don't even believe in heaven, so even if they were good why should they deserve to go to heaven.
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exceedinglyrare
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It's not about what we deserve.
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osmoticdespair
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Quote: from girl19 at 1:54 am on Oct. 26, 2008
 no one deserves heaven 
This.
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Lob sei Gott dem Vater g'tan,
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Lob sei Gott dem Heil'gen Geist
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jschwa1986
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I find some of this to be very hypocritical. Say there definitely is a Heaven and Hell (I'm not personally saying there is or isn't, but for the sake of argument let's say we now know for 100% sure there are both.) So if an Atheist lives a good life, helping people, not sinning, not committing crimes or causing problems... but happens to have been wrong and didn't believe in this religious stuff... they will still go to hell? This is the problem I have with some religions. We preach that everyone should be cared for and treated equally and everyone is God's children. Yet if they believe a little differently than us they must automatically be going to hell? Doesn't that seem to be completely against God's word? If we are all brothers and sisters, how does this make sense? It's the same argument I have for allowing gay marriage and things of that nature. I just don't see how people can reasonably say we're all God's children, we should all be treated equally both by God and by each other - and then say gays can't marry, Atheists will go to hell, blacks should use different water fountains, Jews should die, whatever the current case may be. Religion has the potential to be a wonderful thing for many people. But then there are times where it seems to do nothing but cause ignorance and intolerance.
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TRUCUBANDYME305
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I guess no. To go to heaven you have to believe in God....
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The Nowhere Man
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I don't believe in heaven per say (I believe in a single afterlife of sorts), but yes.
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osmoticdespair
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Quote: from jschwa1986 at 6:32 pm on Oct. 26, 2008
I find some of this to be very hypocritical. Say there definitely is a Heaven and Hell (I'm not personally saying there is or isn't, but for the sake of argument let's say we now know for 100% sure there are both.) So if an Atheist lives a good life, helping people, not sinning, not committing crimes or causing problems... but happens to have been wrong and didn't believe in this religious stuff... they will still go to hell?
If an atheist never sinned, that is never did anything opposed to God's will, perhaps he would end up in heaven, or at the very least not in Hell (recently I read an article about the ideas in the Orthodox Church about what happens to unbaptised babies - now since the Orthodox don't believe that Original Sin conferrs any personal punishment since it was not personally committed it's an especially interesting question for them - and it seems like the main answer was that an unbaptised baby having done no wrong would not be worthy of punishment but having neither taken part in the sacremental life of the Church is not able to participate in the beaific vision. Which sounds like limbo to me, except that limbo was actually part of hell).
This is the problem I have with some religions. We preach that everyone should be cared for
we preach that there is a duty to care for others and that it is good to do so... there is a subtle distinction...
and treated equally
Eh? What is meant here by "treated equally"
and everyone is God's children.
Everyone are God's creatures, only the baptised are God's adopted son's and daughters...
Yet if they believe a little differently than us they must automatically be going to hell?
Its not because someone believes differently, it's because without putting their faith in God and trying to be independent of God or assuming their independence they are forfiting their right to his aid and cutting themselves off from Him who sustains them.
Doesn't that seem to be completely against God's word? If we are all brothers and sisters, how does this make sense?
I and my brother get given food by my parents, if I said to my parent's "I don't need you guys I can fend for myself" and my brother didn't would it really be so shocking if they continued to feed him and stopped feeding me?
It's the same argument I have for allowing gay marriage and things of that nature. I just don't see how people can reasonably say we're all God's children, we should all be treated equally both by God and by each other - and then say gays can't marry,
Gay men can marry women, gay women can marry men, just like the rest of us, where is the discrimination?
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Lob sei Gott sein'm ein'gen Sohn,
Lob sei Gott dem Heil'gen Geist
Immer und in Ewigkeit.
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mysticgohan
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Depends on who you ask. Some forms believe anyone who's good can get into Heaven, some say Purgatory or Limbo, and quite a few say Hell. You even have faiths where religion doesn't mean anything since where you're going in the after life is already decided.
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