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Religion In Schools
Replies: 67Last Post Oct. 27, 2008 8:40pm by Shaknbake
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Religious education is a reaction to the significance of a religion, not the cause of it. If something has a great impact on how the world works, children should be taught about it.
How would you know, we've never tried anything else.

You can't love something you don't understand.  We fill the gaps in our knowledge with xenophobia, and everything we are unfamiliar with becomes sinister. Which is why Islam is a towering spectre from the East threatening to engulf our civilisation, and why Wiccans worship the Devil, and why atheists are evil deceivers.

When you learn about people you notice that ultimately they're just people and we all act in pretty much the same way and the new kid with a headscarf can be your friend too and it's all just a liberal wet dream of multicultural harmony. Or something along those lines.
Unconditional love doesn't apply to only thing you understand. If children thought religion is just a mix of thoughts and ideas, and really is not significant and shouldn't be taken as seriously as it is, how can they be afraid of different religions? What you're suggesting is more like telling Christians that gays can't help that they are gay. Who cares if they can help it or not? No one has any right to think someone should be more like them. Instead, skip that step and go straight to the root(not religion, actually but in this case).

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Quote: from Aimforthehead at 7:57 pm on Oct. 24, 2008

How would you know, we've never tried anything else.

Call it personal experience. The hour a week in high school I spent yawning through videos on world religions made no impact on me or any other members of my class other than to make us just a little bit more educated.


Unconditional love doesn't apply to only thing you understand. If children thought religion is just a mix of thoughts and ideas, and really is not significant and shouldn't be taken as seriously as it is, how can they be afraid of different religions? What you're suggesting is more like telling Christians that gays can't help that they are gay. Who cares if they can help it or not? No one has any right to think someone should be more like them. Instead, skip that step and go straight to the root(not religion, actually but in this case).

What you're suggesting runs right against the grain of human nature. People do not have unconditional love for strangers. People do not have unconditional acceptance for unknown ideas. Never have, never will, and it's a damn good thing too. There are many ideas in this world I do not want anyone to be tolerant of.

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What you're suggesting runs right against the grain of human nature. People do not have unconditional love for strangers. People do not have unconditional acceptance for unknown ideas. Never have, never will, and it's a damn good thing too. There are many ideas in this world I do not want anyone to be tolerant of.
Not human nature, human behavior. And that is completely variable depending on the system being applied to society. And most bad ideas come from the system itself. By the system, I am referring to our mix of institutions, including religious, political, educational, monetary, etc.

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Quote: from Aimforthehead at 8:29 pm on Oct. 24, 2008

Not human nature, human behavior. And that is completely variable depending on the system being applied to society. And most bad ideas come from the system itself. By the system, I am referring to our mix of institutions, including religious, political, educational, monetary, etc.

There is a very strong evolutionary imperative to distrust funny looking rocks that just might be lions. Those who love the rocks unconditionally get eaten.

There is also a strong imperative to look to the interests of one's own tribe, rather than sharing with all and sundry.

We're fundamentally suspicious, scheming and selfish animals. Evidenced by the fact that we're sitting here on nice shiny computers while adorable African orphans are dying of thirst with flies in their eyes.


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There is a very strong evolutionary imperative to distrust funny looking rocks that just might be lions. Those who love the rocks unconditionally get eaten.
How mature. Be afraid of things that are in any way different from you because there are dangerous things out there?

There is also a strong imperative to look to the interests of one's own tribe, rather than sharing with all and sundry.
It's worked fine for us hasn't it? In a world where thousands and tens of thousands die of starvation every day, where billions live on less than two dollars a day, and you support such a world? Disgusting.

We're fundamentally suspicious, scheming and selfish animals. Evidenced by the fact that we're sitting here on nice shiny computers while adorable African orphans are dying of thirst with flies in their eyes.
Just because it's how it is, doesn't make it any less wrong. Like I said, this is only in our current system.

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Quote: from Aimforthehead at 9:06 pm on Oct. 24, 2008

How mature.

Excuse me?


It's worked fine for us hasn't it? In a world where thousands and tens of thousands die of starvation every day, where billions live on less than two dollars a day, and you support such a world? Disgusting.

I said such a world is in alignment with human nature, which is why it exists in the first place.

My personal feelings towards it were never expressed.


Just because it's how it is, doesn't make it any less wrong. Like I said, this is only in our current system.

We're not talking about what is right or wrong. And it is, undeniably, how every system in history has worked. We form societies and mutually beneficial relationships within them. Everyone else is feared, exploited or ignored.

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Quote: from Cicero II at 10:51 am on Oct. 24, 2008

Quote: from justin1990rm at 12:50 pm on Oct. 20, 2008

also in the fifties and before we had religion in schools, blacks didnt have as many rights as whites

What does this have to do with religion in schools?


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Quote: from SpM at 1:17 pm on Oct. 24, 2008

Quote: from Aimforthehead at 9:06 pm on Oct. 24, 2008

How mature.

Excuse me?


It's worked fine for us hasn't it? In a world where thousands and tens of thousands die of starvation every day, where billions live on less than two dollars a day, and you support such a world? Disgusting.

I said such a world is in alignment with human nature, which is why it exists in the first place.

My personal feelings towards it were never expressed.


Just because it's how it is, doesn't make it any less wrong. Like I said, this is only in our current system.

We're not talking about what is right or wrong. And it is, undeniably, how every system in history has worked. We form societies and mutually beneficial relationships within them. Everyone else is feared, exploited or ignored.


Why did you bother saying anything then? I know how the system works, if you just wanted to repeat how it works you wasted your time...And I said how mature because you were basically saying fear things that are different from you because some things are dangerous.

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Quote: from Aimforthehead at 2:54 am on Oct. 25, 2008

Why did you bother saying anything then? I know how the system works, if you just wanted to repeat how it works you wasted your time...And I said how mature because you were basically saying fear things that are different from you because some things are dangerous.

We were discussing whether or not unconditional love of the unknown is contradictory to human nature. I argued my point, and you suddenly decided to bite my head off for being morally destitute and immature.

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No, I said it was contradictory to human behavior. You said it was to nature because that's how things currently are and thus are supposed to be.

And sorry I thought you were supporting how things were.

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Quote: from switchfoot52 at 12:46 pm on Oct. 20, 2008

in the fifties and before when we had religion in schools we didn't have as many drug users, alchoholics, teen pregnancies,etc. that's why.
Wrong, teen pregnancy rates were considerably higher back then.

I don't know about the alcohol and drug rates but I don't think you're basing that on anything more than hearsay either.

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And they do teach about religions in schools, haven't you people had social studies classes?

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Quote: from Its Bearsy Bitch at 8:12 am on Oct. 25, 2008

Quote: from switchfoot52 at 12:46 pm on Oct. 20, 2008

in the fifties and before when we had religion in schools we didn't have as many drug users, alchoholics, teen pregnancies,etc. that's why.
Wrong, teen pregnancy rates were considerably higher back then.

I don't know about the alcohol and drug rates but I don't think you're basing that on anything more than hearsay either.


Source? For either, really.

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http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1/gr050107.html



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I'm waiting for a source from the original as well.

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